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Andy Crouch's avatar

Thanks so much, David. These are such important matters.

It's always difficult summarize a book-length argument, but I am not sure you have given a fair account of my book in a couple respects. (Though even if you did give a fair account, it would still also be fair to point to ways that the book could be, or has been, misunderstood or misapplied.)

I don't think a reader of this summary would know that I develop a rather careful distinction in the book between force, coercion, and violence, and that much of the rest of the book hinges on keeping these distinctions clear. I find that many of my interlocutors simply fail to observe these distinctions and collapse these meanings without defending that collapse. I believe you enact that collapse, simply at the level of vocabulary, in this post. (I do think there is a very serious counterargument to be made against my distinctions, and I'm sure you want to make it, but please do make it rather than assuming it!)

I don't think a reader of this summary would know that I place Genesis 3 within a two-chapter-long exploration of idolatry and injustice as the basic distortions of human imagination and therefore power. (See also my book Strong & Weak and also my subsequent presentations, which I admit I haven't put into handy written form, where I trace violence and more generally violation of human dignity to the quest for authority without vulnerability, also known as "control," in many presentations explicitly connecting this to phenomena like the transatlantic slave trade and its economic antecedents in the profitability of cash crops along the Atlantic seaboard.)

I don't think a reader would realize that I devote a whole chapter to how institutions go horribly wrong and become instruments of violence (slavery being the quintessential example, which I examine at some length).

You are right that I don't make a sharp distinction between godly and worldly power — and I should say that one reason I don't is that I think this lends itself so easily to those who want to be on the side of "godly power" deceiving themselves about the ways that they in fact can become implicated in forms of idolatry and injustice that are justified in religious terms (and may be ostensibly or even ostentatiously nonviolent—the abusive behavior of John Howard Yoder and Jean Vanier come to mind, alas).

But I do not agree that because I don't make that distinction, a reader who has carefully read Playing God (and its followup book Strong & Weak) will not be able to "recognize the possibilities for Christians using worldly power in God’s name to impose their will and perpetuate the ills of colonialist violence, in the patterns of Christian mission of the past." That does not comport with the conversations I've had with readers of the book, literally none of whom struck me as susceptible to taking up and wielding imperial power, certainly not blithely or ignorantly. (I have had a few conversations with highly placed officials in the US government—in multiple administrations with different political points of view—who clearly wrestle deeply with the complexities of their position and certainly recognize its dangers, whatever you or I may think of how they have actually disposed of their power.) Now, there are many, many Christians who DO strike me as susceptible to that, but as far as I've ever been able to tell, they have not read my books. :)

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Bob Robinson's avatar

I appreciate your contribution to the conversation about power. I resonate with Crouch’s views on most of what he’s written in the past. But his understanding of power being given to humans in Genesis 1 needs a couple nuances:

(1) That which you articulate here, that power is twisted in Genesis 3 and thus must be redeemed in (and only in) the power of Christ, which is power “with” not power “over.”

(2) It must be recognized that in Genesis 1, God does indeed give the humans power to “rule” or “have dominion.” But over what? Over the rest of the creation, NOT over one another. Humanity, male and female, are the rulers, in community, over everything else.

But this begs a new question:

With the original mandate to rule over the creation (which has never been rescinded) combined with the effects of the Fall that makes humans want to rule over each other, how do we cooperate well to rule over creation? How do we participate in institutions for the flourishing of all (for the common good) when we all (no matter how close we think we are to Christ) are suffering from the noetic effects of sin?

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